Comments on: The Vaccination Decision: Why Vaccinate? http://www.thegreenparent.com/2009/02/03/the-vaccination-decision-why-vaccinate/ Your Kid Friendly Guide To Earth-Friendly Living! Fri, 12 Mar 2010 12:43:06 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7 hourly 1 By: How to Defeat Cure Autism Now http://www.thegreenparent.com/2009/02/03/the-vaccination-decision-why-vaccinate/comment-page-1/#comment-17549 How to Defeat Cure Autism Now Fri, 27 Nov 2009 13:46:30 +0000 http://www.thegreenparent.com/?p=1783#comment-17549 I've recently started a blog, the information you provide on this site has helped me tremendously. Thank you for all of your time & work. I’ve recently started a blog, the information you provide on this site has helped me tremendously. Thank you for all of your time & work.

]]> By: ecoDomestica reDesign http://www.thegreenparent.com/2009/02/03/the-vaccination-decision-why-vaccinate/comment-page-1/#comment-5429 ecoDomestica reDesign Sun, 22 Mar 2009 03:20:43 +0000 http://www.thegreenparent.com/?p=1783#comment-5429 [...] for most of the winter? We’ve had the flu run through our home twice. (But I still strongly believe in vaccination. Sorry, Jenny McCarthy.) This means I’ve been a slacker about blogging, and meanwhile, the [...] [...] for most of the winter? We’ve had the flu run through our home twice. (But I still strongly believe in vaccination. Sorry, Jenny McCarthy.) This means I’ve been a slacker about blogging, and meanwhile, the [...]

]]> By: Court Rules: “No Link amoung Vaccines and Autism” | Go Green Living http://www.thegreenparent.com/2009/02/03/the-vaccination-decision-why-vaccinate/comment-page-1/#comment-4384 Court Rules: “No Link amoung Vaccines and Autism” | Go Green Living Tue, 17 Feb 2009 17:18:51 +0000 http://www.thegreenparent.com/?p=1783#comment-4384 [...] ago, we took a lengthy hard look at the pros and cons of vaccination with a series of posts on why we vaccinate, the dangers of vaccination, and the link amoung vaccination and [...] [...] ago, we took a lengthy hard look at the pros and cons of vaccination with a series of posts on why we vaccinate, the dangers of vaccination, and the link amoung vaccination and [...]

]]> By: Court rules no link between vaccines and autism | The Green Parent http://www.thegreenparent.com/2009/02/03/the-vaccination-decision-why-vaccinate/comment-page-1/#comment-4378 Court rules no link between vaccines and autism | The Green Parent Tue, 17 Feb 2009 17:12:48 +0000 http://www.thegreenparent.com/?p=1783#comment-4378 [...] weeks ago, we took a long hard look at the pros and cons of vaccination with a series of posts on why we vaccinate, the dangers of vaccination, and the link between vaccination and [...] [...] weeks ago, we took a long hard look at the pros and cons of vaccination with a series of posts on why we vaccinate, the dangers of vaccination, and the link between vaccination and [...]

]]> By: Brooke http://www.thegreenparent.com/2009/02/03/the-vaccination-decision-why-vaccinate/comment-page-1/#comment-4071 Brooke Sat, 07 Feb 2009 05:22:55 +0000 http://www.thegreenparent.com/?p=1783#comment-4071 I have to strongly disagree with this article. There is nothing, absolutely nothing proving that vaccines have prevented these diseases and the deaths associated with them. In the same way that autism is only attributed to vaccines because of a cause and effect relationship, the same can be said for vaccines. We know that in many cases vaccines simply do not work. It is insanely simplistic to say that vaccines prevent diseases. What about the viruses we do not have vaccines for? What about natural immunity? Better sanitation? Better medical care? This article ignores vaccine injures completely. The stories about miscarriages and disability could equally be attributed as vaccine side effects. Also I fail to understand how vaccinating against a deathly disease like polio is equal to vaccinating against the chicken pox which is rarely deadly (more people die from the flu) and worth the possible side effects that can come with it. A huge part of the argument against vaccines is just related to animal bi-products or chemicals being in the vaccines. Why not just remove these is if public health was truly the reason behind vaccines? I have to strongly disagree with this article. There is nothing, absolutely nothing proving that vaccines have prevented these diseases and the deaths associated with them. In the same way that autism is only attributed to vaccines because of a cause and effect relationship, the same can be said for vaccines. We know that in many cases vaccines simply do not work. It is insanely simplistic to say that vaccines prevent diseases. What about the viruses we do not have vaccines for? What about natural immunity? Better sanitation? Better medical care?

This article ignores vaccine injures completely. The stories about miscarriages and disability could equally be attributed as vaccine side effects. Also I fail to understand how vaccinating against a deathly disease like polio is equal to vaccinating against the chicken pox which is rarely deadly (more people die from the flu) and worth the possible side effects that can come with it. A huge part of the argument against vaccines is just related to animal bi-products or chemicals being in the vaccines. Why not just remove these is if public health was truly the reason behind vaccines?

]]> By: The Vaccination Decision: Is There Middle Ground? | Go Green Living http://www.thegreenparent.com/2009/02/03/the-vaccination-decision-why-vaccinate/comment-page-1/#comment-4042 The Vaccination Decision: Is There Middle Ground? | Go Green Living Fri, 06 Feb 2009 12:17:14 +0000 http://www.thegreenparent.com/?p=1783#comment-4042 [...] 6, 2009 · Print This Article All that week we have been focusing on vaccinations…the good, the bad, and the ugly. Hopefully, you’ve had a chance to wade through the info and scheme your [...] [...] 6, 2009 · Print This Article All that week we have been focusing on vaccinations…the good, the bad, and the ugly. Hopefully, you’ve had a chance to wade through the info and scheme your [...]

]]> By: Alternative Vaccination Schedules | The Green Parent http://www.thegreenparent.com/2009/02/03/the-vaccination-decision-why-vaccinate/comment-page-1/#comment-4040 Alternative Vaccination Schedules | The Green Parent Fri, 06 Feb 2009 12:03:07 +0000 http://www.thegreenparent.com/?p=1783#comment-4040 [...] this week we have been focusing on vaccinations…the good, the bad, and the ugly. Hopefully, you’ve had a chance to wade through the information and form [...] [...] this week we have been focusing on vaccinations…the good, the bad, and the ugly. Hopefully, you’ve had a chance to wade through the information and form [...]

]]> By: The Vaccination Decision: Vaccines and Autism | Go Green Living http://www.thegreenparent.com/2009/02/03/the-vaccination-decision-why-vaccinate/comment-page-1/#comment-4015 The Vaccination Decision: Vaccines and Autism | Go Green Living Thu, 05 Feb 2009 11:30:18 +0000 http://www.thegreenparent.com/?p=1783#comment-4015 [...] The Vaccination Decision: Why Vaccinate? [...] [...] The Vaccination Decision: Why Vaccinate? [...]

]]> By: Darren Meyer http://www.thegreenparent.com/2009/02/03/the-vaccination-decision-why-vaccinate/comment-page-1/#comment-3998 Darren Meyer Wed, 04 Feb 2009 20:16:22 +0000 http://www.thegreenparent.com/?p=1783#comment-3998 @The Green Doctor: Of *course* parents need to stay involved in their children's medical decisions -- informed consent is the mainstay of modern medicine. But "we know the immunizations had played a role" in your kid's autism diagnosis not reliable. It's actually a common human mistake, to assume that X causes Y because Y happened after X. The whole scientific method is designed to minimize human mistakes like that. I'll take the stack of studies -- co-designed by people with concerns over vaccines and autism -- that show NO LINK between immunization and autism diagnosis over anyone's "mommy instinct". Yes, trust your intuition, up to a point. If something doesn't seem right, ask questions. Get a second opinion if need be. But when your intuition contradicts a mountain of evidence and the consensus of the scientific and medical communities, you need to discard your intuition. @The Green Doctor:

Of *course* parents need to stay involved in their children’s medical decisions — informed consent is the mainstay of modern medicine.

But “we know the immunizations had played a role” in your kid’s autism diagnosis not reliable. It’s actually a common human mistake, to assume that X causes Y because Y happened after X. The whole scientific method is designed to minimize human mistakes like that.

I’ll take the stack of studies — co-designed by people with concerns over vaccines and autism — that show NO LINK between immunization and autism diagnosis over anyone’s “mommy instinct”.

Yes, trust your intuition, up to a point. If something doesn’t seem right, ask questions. Get a second opinion if need be. But when your intuition contradicts a mountain of evidence and the consensus of the scientific and medical communities, you need to discard your intuition.

]]> By: Jan Nichols http://www.thegreenparent.com/2009/02/03/the-vaccination-decision-why-vaccinate/comment-page-1/#comment-3997 Jan Nichols Wed, 04 Feb 2009 19:22:33 +0000 http://www.thegreenparent.com/?p=1783#comment-3997 I am the polio survivor who wrote the comment that appeared in yesterday's post. I had no intention of replying to any comments, but because of the inacurracies that are included in some of the comments, I felt it was important for parents to receive the facts. I am certain that it is difficult for parents to appreciate the horror of polio, having been born after the polio vaccine was introduced - the reason why some of you never suffered the losses that many of my peers did... I hope that the information I provide below will be helpful. - Jan Nichols, New York 1. Polio was not on the decline before the vaccine was introduced. Nearly 1/2 of the cases reported in the U.S. during the 20th C were reported between 1951-1954 per the March of Dimes. 2. Before 1952, paralytic and non-paralytic cases were not identified in yearly stats. But, many of those people are suffering from post-polio syndrome today. 3. Nigeria did have an outbreak of circulating vaccine-derived cases of polio.But, the facts are clear: From 1997 to 2007, over 10 billion doses of OPV were administere worldwide with less than 200 circulating vaccine-derived cases of polio. During that same period, there were 31,100 cases of wild poliovirus among non-vaccinated individuals. 4. Each year, while the oral polio vaccine was used in the U.S., 6-10 people contracted the disease from the vaccine or from coming in contact with someone who had recently been vaccinated. This is very sad, but at the same time the Harvard School of Public Health recently completed a study showing that from 1955-2005, the polio vaccine prevented 1.1 million cases of polio and 160,000 deaths. 5. Parents may be interested in visiting websites that give accurate information on polio and other vaccine-preventable diseases: www.polioeradication.org www.vaccine.chop.edu www.vaccine.org www.ecbt.org www.immunize.org 6. On Monday evening, PBS did an excellent presentation on polio. The DVD will be available in March 2009. The program was based on David Oshinsky's Pulitzer Prize winning book entitled "Polio, an American Story." ----- Original Message ----- I am the polio survivor who wrote the comment that appeared in yesterday’s post. I had no intention of replying to any comments, but because of the inacurracies that are included in some of the comments, I felt it was important for parents to receive the facts. I am certain that it is difficult for parents to appreciate the horror of polio, having been born after the polio vaccine was introduced - the reason why some of you never suffered the losses that many of my peers did… I hope that the information I provide below will be helpful. - Jan Nichols, New York
1. Polio was not on the decline before the vaccine was introduced. Nearly 1/2 of the cases reported in the U.S. during the 20th C were reported between 1951-1954 per the March of Dimes.
2. Before 1952, paralytic and non-paralytic cases were not identified in yearly stats. But, many of those people are suffering from post-polio syndrome today.
3. Nigeria did have an outbreak of circulating vaccine-derived cases of polio.But, the facts are clear: From 1997 to 2007, over 10 billion doses of OPV were administere worldwide with less than 200 circulating vaccine-derived cases of polio. During that same period, there were 31,100 cases of wild poliovirus among non-vaccinated individuals.
4. Each year, while the oral polio vaccine was used in the U.S., 6-10 people contracted the disease from the vaccine or from coming in contact with someone who had recently been vaccinated. This is very sad, but at the same time the Harvard School of Public Health recently completed a study showing that from 1955-2005, the polio vaccine prevented 1.1 million cases of polio and 160,000 deaths.
5. Parents may be interested in visiting websites that give accurate information on polio and other vaccine-preventable diseases:
http://www.polioeradication.org
http://www.vaccine.chop.edu
http://www.vaccine.org
http://www.ecbt.org
http://www.immunize.org
6. On Monday evening, PBS did an excellent presentation on polio. The DVD will be available in March 2009. The program was based on David Oshinsky’s Pulitzer Prize winning book entitled “Polio, an American Story.”

—– Original Message —–

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